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Post by Zax13 Sat 12 Oct 2013 - 12:56

Well here it is the Heng Long Geman Tiger I... Decided to splurg a bit of cash and see what the commotion is all about. Thanks to Bro Boo for helping me to get this in my most busy hours... Appreciate it.
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The item seems to be well packed and also have very good illustrations in the front to attract those who have no need of 200 hard earned bucks....Very Happy 
Flip the front hard cover and voila!!! You have a sneak peek of the item inside.... The marketing of this item is superbly done... but is it what we expected from the price point of view?
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Outside the box the item is well packed inside a tight fit foam. Included in the package are FM radio, 7.2V NiCd 17mah, charger, Some BBs, manual, stickers, Box of accessories and the tank itself. (The hop-up option box in the picture is not part of the stock buy.)  
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Here it look on my humble work area on a stand. I must admit, it does look good but very dull on the paint work department.
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What ever it is, do not carry by the barrel...
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The detail is quite good for a tank of this price range...
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The FM antenna sticking out is really a let down... One of the things in my change checklist...
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Yeah!!! Metal tracks baby...
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Paint came off when peeling off the tape... Shocked 
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BB goes in here...
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Some manufacturing defect but nothing some epoxy putty cant fix...
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Overall the built quality from outside is not really shabby looking. With some paint work can really make this bugger stands out...
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Post by Zax13 Sat 12 Oct 2013 - 13:01

After testing out all the functions, here what I did in 2 hours... Laughing 
I broke down everything to pieces and will start to give the exterior a good rubdown before I start painting a different colour.
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Post by laneboysrc Sat 12 Oct 2013 - 14:11

Don't turn it on, take it apart! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy 
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Post by babyboy Sat 12 Oct 2013 - 18:49

Wow!! Nice.
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Post by Marpek Sat 12 Oct 2013 - 22:53

Nice writeup bro, and great pics of the detailed Tiger!
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Post by RTECH Sun 13 Oct 2013 - 16:15

Shocked Very detail. Repaint it will make it look like real !bounce 
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Post by Harakiri Mon 14 Oct 2013 - 20:42

Do it fast for the up coming war
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Post by Zax13 Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 10:00

After rubbing down the hull is prime... Using bright colour primer to bring out the later spray base colour and to differentiate weathering effect...
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Now I did the base weathering by using flat black. Its good to have an idea on how ur weathering areas gonna be.
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All items left to cure for a day before starting to spray base colour.
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Spraying the base colour... Do some light coats layer by layer as to prevent the dark sprayed weathering effect from totally disappearing...
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Under another shade of light which is not to bright... Left the item to dry for a day again... before touching up the weathering effect again.
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Weathering done to some areas again...
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Thought of a colour to paint the track for a a while... Mixed alot of colours to get the final colour to settled on...Cool 
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Wheels are painted as well with base weathering applied...
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Post by oceanic Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 10:07

Wah jang eh!!
Bro when free?
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Post by Tamiya1970 Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 13:01

Nice job ,on the paint sofar !
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Post by Sabretooth_aw Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 13:23

Great job with the paint!
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Post by RTECH Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 16:04

Outstanding. I think you need to get another tank and put this one as self queen.
As the SGcrawler rules says: " Get 3, one for play , one for display and one for spare."
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Post by Marpek Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 21:09

Nice!
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Post by Zax13 Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 22:18

After painting the body base colour and add somemore dark & rusting weathering effect to give it a more life like look. Didn't like the clean look of the tank. Seems like just got out from factory production so I decided to give it a bit of wear and tear on the paint... Laughing 
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The gear wheels got a makeover as well...
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Post by boolean21 Tue 15 Oct 2013 - 23:43

aiyo aiyo!!!!
more more more!!!!!

nice weathering bro!

the poison is getting deeper!
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Post by laneboysrc Wed 16 Oct 2013 - 7:38

Very awesome weathering, thanks for sharing those amazing detailed photos and instructions!
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Post by Zax13 Wed 16 Oct 2013 - 20:56

Now after painting the turret with the base colour and rust weathering, its time to do abit of paint flaking on it... Need to take it slow when doing weathering to avoid getting carried away and spoiling the model on a whole...
For paint flaking effect Im using vallejo German cam. black brown #822. Using a cut sponge and dabbing it bit by bit to avoid smudging... same effect was applied to the wheels and and other parts as well.
Here is the picture of the turret without any paint flaking effect. Before...
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Here is the close up picture on several parts of the turret after effect is applied...
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Post by oceanic Wed 16 Oct 2013 - 21:03

affraid affraid affraid 
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Post by boolean21 Wed 16 Oct 2013 - 21:59

amazing work bro!!!

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Post by Marpek Wed 16 Oct 2013 - 22:26

Nice paint flakes effects! Modern techniques had greatly surpasses old skool paint brushes weathering methods...Very Happy 
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Post by Zax13 Wed 16 Oct 2013 - 23:05

Marpek wrote:Nice paint flakes effects! Modern techniques had greatly surpasses old skool paint brushes weathering methods...Very Happy 
Paint brush still widely use today also but depending on what kind of effect you wanna get...
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Post by laneboysrc Thu 17 Oct 2013 - 7:22

Great work! Are you also into static scale-models then?
Did you buy the Vallejo paints locally or on-line?
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Post by Zax13 Thu 17 Oct 2013 - 7:47

laneboysrc wrote:Great work! Are you also into static scale-models then?
Did you buy the Vallejo paints locally or on-line?
Yes bro, i do static modelling as well... The vallejo paint can get locally but normally get it online from luckymodel.com or ebay... No time to go orchard to get and they are always oos...
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Post by Marpek Thu 17 Oct 2013 - 12:45

My all time fav paint is Humbrol! Uses them from young till now...as when required!
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Post by Zax13 Thu 17 Oct 2013 - 13:14

Marpek wrote:My all time fav paint is Humbrol! Uses them from young till now...as when required!
I got no all time favourite brand. Sad
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Post by Marpek Thu 17 Oct 2013 - 17:02

Hehe...I said that becoz like in the past Emporium, Metro, and most dept. stalls sells this brand paint...Laughing 
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Post by Zax13 Thu 17 Oct 2013 - 17:20

Marpek wrote:Hehe...I said that becoz like in the past Emporium, Metro, and most dept. stalls sells this brand paint...Laughing 
Alamak very nostalgic leh "Emporium".
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Post by Zax13 Fri 18 Oct 2013 - 20:07

Take a little bit of time to do the base hull... Enjoy the picture...
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Post by boolean21 Fri 18 Oct 2013 - 22:25

aiyo... i think it is time to write off the tank....
i can dispose it for you.... when can i collect??

truly a masterpiece!!!!
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Post by Marpek Fri 18 Oct 2013 - 23:43

Nice works with the sponge thingy! Are you doing a wash on the yellow paint?
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